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Dear TeamXtreme community,

the WarZone staff has decided to change a lot of things within its organization and structure. This step has been taken to make our work faster, easier and even better.

-WarZone staff team Changes-

So far there have been several teams within the WarZone staff itself, like the Modern Warfare 2 team, Republic Commando team, StarCraft II team and the own WarZone GFX team. These teams have been removed and will not exist anymore, one staff member will further on be responsible for all ladders, tournaments and games supported or hosted by WarZone. Also the GFX work will be exported to the default TeamXtreme GFX team in the future. All our requests will be handled by the TX GFX staff, an own hidden sub-forum is going to be opened soon.

-WarZone staff position changes-

Until now, the staff was built on several different spots and ranks. Like Referee, Head Referee, Managers Co-Admin and Admin, and each team had its own (Head) Referee(s) and also a team manager. Most of these spots were kind of useless and confusing, that's why we decided to handle all our work with only 2 spots from now on. The first spot will simply be called WarZone staff member while the second one is named WarZone staff admin. That's making things a lot easier for everyone. In the WarZone staff forums those two spots will have the same rights, we expect members as well as admins to post ideas, suggestions and to take part in WarZone discussions. The only difference is that WarZone members will not get full admin access on our website, but the members will also be granted limited rights to handle and manage our tournaments/ladders on the website while admins got full access to manage everything concerning WarZone. This is the current WarZone staff:
-WarZone staff admins-

Numb
Vash
Hasero (once he's active again)

-WarZone staff members-

Ironhide
Resh
Splatter
Irony
Shanks
Lionheart

-WarZone staff application changes-

According to the huge amount of lazy members we recently and ever had, we decided not to accept normal applications as fast as we did before. From now on, the WarZone staff admins will look for motivated members on their own, and if we think someone is worth joining we will contact them, talk to them and invite them in to the staff. This way we hope not to have members that only wanted to be in the staff to (probably) get a blue name on the forums. Because this happend a lot, we also decided to remove a few members from the current staff. Those members are:
Sceaga
Horror
Legend
Barcode


-WarZone staff's public appearance-

The staff has been a pretty closed team so far and the work was mostly hidden and secret, hence the tournaments we made have not always been that succesfull. You can probably not imagine how much time and work we actually spend into one single tournament, hence this is always disappointing and demotivating. We want to include the entire community into our projects, that means we might open public polls about upcoming ladders/tournaments, but we also want you to help us. Even if you ware not a member we appreciate your help and support. This is including "telling us ideas", "making corrections on announcements/ladders/tournaments, "giving us a detailed and usefull feedback" and much more. You should tell us any kind of information you consider as helpful.

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I've got a question. Where was the problem in the old setup? I didn't see any of the problems you claimed it to have. You now want me to participate in arranging mw2 tournaments and the others arranging sc2 tournaments to get a better unity? I mean I really have no clue how to arrange mw2 tournaments. If not, what's the reason for this reformation?

I mean it worked fine before, was a little more forums to go through, but that was about it, not a lot of topics got posted in the warzone compared to other forums anyway so it wasn't a problem staying up to date.
The GFX requests were handled. Though I agree every GFX team member should be able to handle requests. Tournaments were arranged by the "managers" the guys who "represented" that Division, and thereby the guys who should probably do it?

So overall it's the same, just removed Warzone GFX Staff, kicked some members and edited the admin list? And in the end there's no difference between a normal member and a WZ member besides their forum access?

Another point, now I'm at it, "Best regards, TX Warzone Staff." does that mean
Warzone Area 51 Ironhide wrote:Numb and I decided to change a lot of things in the WarZone staff
Since I feel, idk about you others, left out. Nothing was posted in the forums before this announcement, not a warning, a poll, a discussion. Just the change now.

This is not only an "I'm not feeling this" comment. I like the way the GFX requests are being handled now, and I've also got no problems with the Warzone admin stuff, and the kicked members.

But overall this is a huge wall of text stating a few changes, that only really imo positively affect the GFX.

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Where was the problem in the old setup? (...) You now want me to participate in arranging mw2 tournaments and the others arranging sc2 tournaments to get a better unity? I mean I really have no clue how to arrange mw2 tournaments. If not, what's the reason for this reformation?
The "GFX members" have helped arranging RC tournaments as well (Resh, Lion), you and Shanks have posted in the RC team forums sometimes as well. On the other hand I have also down MW2 stuff some time ago, same counts for Numb. So actually these teams have never existed, every WarZone staff member was posting in all sub forums. And that's how it should be, it was like that before but just not officially, now it is official that everyone can post there. And even though some people are not that experienced in the community of another game they can still have good ideas and suggestions concerning a tournament/ladder. Why splitting the members in several -small- teams instead of one huge group? It will bring more thoughts, ideas, suggestions. Simply more brains. :)
And in the end there's no difference between a normal member and a WZ member besides their forum access?
If you did not notice it yet: The rights of the normal WarZone members increased due to these changes. Before there have been only 3 admins with full access, although the members do not got full access they got admin rights and can do a lot of stuff now. But the most important job of a WarZone member is being active in the forums to help organizing everything, it has always been like that.
Nothing was posted in the forums before this announcement, not a warning, a poll, a discussion. Just the change now.
No it was not. Numb is WarZone group leader and can actually do that alone, though he did not, we have spent some time and discussed everything and decided to change that. Would look kind of weird to talk about the members that should get kicked in front of their eyes, since they still had forums access back then. :)
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Just a simple question, why all the kicked people have been kicked ?
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War wrote:Just a simple question, why all the kicked people have been kicked ?
Because they have not done anything. They have been completely inactive, and we even warned them almost 2 weeks ago and nothing changed, no post for several weeks and some of them have not posted in their entire time in the WarZone staff. Such members are not helping us at all.
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Ironhide wrote:
War wrote:Just a simple question, why all the kicked people have been kicked ?
Because they have not done anything. They have been completely inactive, and we even warned them almost 2 weeks ago and nothing changed, no post for several weeks and some of them have not posted in their entire time in the WarZone staff. Such members are not helping us at all.
Well, talking about LegenD (again..), he wrote an inactivity topic to say he was inactive and it was not really his fault due to exams+sports..
Anyway, i'm not in WarZone and it is your (Numb+you) choice.
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Why say Warzone staff if it's just Numb and you? Perhaps you should edit it to "The Warzone Admins." As it doesn't seem like we/I have anything to have said. Speaking of initiative and oppinions, it's hard to show it if stuff just happens out of nowhere.

About the teams I can't see how the MW and RC staff had anything to post in the Starcraft II team's tournaments? There's not much point for them posting there as the games are completely different, and the admins decide in the end.

I get the point of the WZ member's "permission" to support tourmaments as it was intended from the start I suppose, and that's a good idea.

But I'm really feeling underutilized at my current position, having discussions decided by the admins aint my problem, but the fact that we're not even included even though we're part of the WarZone staff is what bothers me the most.
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War wrote: Well, talking about LegenD (again..), he wrote an inactivity topic to say he was inactive and it was not really his fault due to exams+sports..
But if you know, you're going to be inactive, or even ARE inactive, you don't apply for such spot.
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1eShit wrote:
War wrote: Well, talking about LegenD (again..), he wrote an inactivity topic to say he was inactive and it was not really his fault due to exams+sports..
But if you know, you're going to be inactive, or even ARE inactive, you don't apply for such spot.
He did not know it when he applied...
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What difference would it have made, Shit? He would've gotten in and done the exact same amount of work, he'd just not be wasting his time with another application.
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War wrote: He did not know it when he applied...
Well, I know when I have my exams and when I have no time to be active due to learning.
What difference would it have made, Shit? He would've gotten in and done the exact same amount of work, he'd just not be wasting his time with another application.
I don't get your point.
He is inactive, no matter why, if he is active again he can ask for a spot again, even if Ironhide said that they'll ask members by themselves now I don't think anyone would say no if he is a good person for this spot.
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You don't get my point? I'm kinda just saying not everyone = Shit & Ironhide's oppinions. LegenD didn't know he'd be busy at the time he applied. He NOTICED us with his inactivity and therefor shouldn't be punished?
But you start claiming he shouldn't have applied in the first place if he'd be inactive. Gosh, you ever heard of patience? The act of kicking LegenD is IMpatience.

But again that's what I'm trying to say, this seems rushed or at least not very openminded. Just deciding things between the "Warzone leader" and Ironhide, who actually, isn't an admin? How're you allowed to take part in that decission then, if I'm not? You aint on the admin list Iron. I know your position was higher before the change, but still. This seems anarcistic to allow you to take part in discussions we were just totally left out from.
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Irony wrote:You don't get my point? I'm kinda just saying not everyone = Shit & Ironhide's oppinions. LegenD didn't know he'd be busy at the time he applied. He NOTICED us with his inactivity and therefor shouldn't be punished?
But you start claiming he shouldn't have applied in the first place if he'd be inactive. Gosh, you ever heard of patience? The act of kicking LegenD is IMpatience.
It seems if you start raging, calm down, I wasn't going to start an argument, it's just a discussion. ;)
I'm neither blaming LegenD for his inactivity, nor I'm hating him, but if you kick all the inactive WZ members you can't say "Hey you all get kicked, LegenD you can stay".
As said, I'm sure he still has the possibilty to re-app again once he has time to fullfill his spot in the WZ.
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1eShit wrote: but if you kick all the inactive WZ members you can't say "Hey you all get kicked, LegenD you can stay".
Why not ? A lot of the WarZone team stayed at their spot. And LegenD got kicked due to an inactivity but he said he would be inactive. I don't really understand.
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